Commentary: The deliberation and the hypocrisy of health care

Rick C.
Willmar, MN     03/14/2010 10:17 PM

bob d if Buffet and Gates don't need it let them prove it by giving it back. It is very simple to do. You can even send them extra too bobby. But then you wouldn't be a liberal, liberals only give away other peoples money.

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Brian K.
03/14/2010 9:27 PM

Hey everyone........notice how bobby can't even understand what people post on here. I posted a full solution to the problem on a different post, but what does he put in quotations from me...only the negative parts that I said we could not do even if we wanted to.......and then added his typical loon response..............OK BOBBY HERE IS IS AGAIN FOR YOU SINCE YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THE FIRST TIME.....SORRY EVERYONE ELSE, I REALIZE THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT TOPIC BUT BOBBY IS HAVING TROUBLES SO I NEED TO POST AGAIN.......STEP 1...we seal up our boards tight, stop arguing and complaining about it, just get it done. Seal the boarder to a point that not even a mouse could cross without us knowing. STEP 2....we have a registration period of a short duration, long enough to get the job done, but short enough to keep a flood of illegals coming across the boarders....I'm talking less than 2 months. After this registration period, if you are found in this country unregistered or registered using false information, regardless of the situation, you will be immediately deported.....no questions, no sobbing...your just shipped out immediately. This includes any anchor baby situations and other anchor situations.....you must register. STEP 3.....now that we know how many illegals are in the country we can setup the process of reform. If you have been in this country longer than 10-15 years and have kept clean, you and your children are granted citizenship. If you are here for 5-10 years you are issued working visas and granted temporary citizenship for 5 years. After 5 years your citizenship will be reviewed on a case by case bases....either an extension period to your temporary or you will be issued full citizenship. Between 1-5 years, you will be issued a working visa only. After 5 years you will go through the same review process to be given temporary citizenship and then again after 10 years for complete citizenship. Less than 1 year will be reviewed on a very strict case by case standard. Less than 1 year, you have a 50/50 chance of staying or going. If you did not register or you used false information, you are booted on the spot and will have a very little chance of ever being accepted through the immigration process. Those with criminal pasts obviously won’t register due to fear of deportation….and they are correct, they should be in fear because they will be deported. Now if you find these unregistered people, you must be willing to stand behind the immediate deportation. HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE…..these people must pay taxes, do not get voting rights until citizenship has occurred, live by the same laws we abide by, must learn English and our history prior to citizenship, follow the same immigration requirements and processes that other countries abide by, and for the love of "our superior being"(trying to be politically correct on the WCtrib Forum)...please dump the displays of the other country flags, except where they are accepted such as sporting events, ect. You want our to reap the benefits of being a United States citizen, then you have to give up those emotional links to your home country. I am 1/2 German and 1/2 Norwegian, I respect my family history, but I don't parade around displaying these flags and speaking these languages, please have respect for our country and those in this country….earn your final citizenship. Prove that you really want to be here and that it isn't just about sending money home. Well there you go, I can break it down even further but this is already going to be a very lengthy post that no one will ready anyway. If you did read this, thank you for taking the time to do so, obviously by reading this, you are interested in a fair but strict immigration reform policy.

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Brian K.
03/14/2010 7:26 PM

bob d.........really bobby, I can't have my own personal opinions on items but then propose solutions. I'm sure you won't be able to handle this but do you remember in the other topic board when I proposed a pretty good solution to the illegal immigration problem we have.....well bobby, that was my proposed solution for the problem but do you know what my personal opinion is on the subject? Take a guess....personally I think they should go door to door and round up every single person that does not belong in the country and throw them outa here......but see, normally non Lemmings such as myself, are able to determine what is the right thing to do and come up with appropriate solutions. If you did not read my plan in the other post....well maybe someone on here can provide you a link to it....after all, it is about the best proposed solution to date. You see bobby, you insult me but I would be 100 times as good in political office than any one you could offer......why?....because I am interested in solutions, not just sitting around in front of a computer screen complaining about everything. I can't believe I wasted another 2 minutes responding to your "rambling on of nothing". Start offering solutions and stop insulting everyone that has become more successful than you. You see you everyone can have personal opinions on issues.....but only some of us are able to come up with reasonable solutions.....the rest are just Lemmings following the leader right over the cliff. Have a good evening bobby....I wish you the best in your recovery.

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Sam K.
03/14/2010 5:08 PM

Bob- You also seem fixed on China. But yet you want our govt. to run everthing much like China. Is that the system you want? Is that what you want our wages to be? Again you seem to complain for the fun of it. Do you think wages have risen under Obama in the privite sector? I'll give you a hint less jobs at less pay. Sometime compare Teaxas and California. Both large states one liberal one conservetive. Who's economy is better?

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Sam K.
03/14/2010 5:00 PM

As for your $3.00 dollar a hour job. I have no idea where you are going with this either. I worked for $3.00 an hour in the mid 70's. I am not like you and was able to improve my wage. I have worked many const. jobs all for over that wage in the 1980's. I have had some union jobs but have never been crazy over working for them. They are suppose to work for me but I veiw it different. They try and tell me who to vote for. Should that not be the other way around? I got daily garbage in the mail at election time of nothing more than propaganda. Much of what you talk about. Only talking points no facts.

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Sam K.
03/14/2010 4:50 PM

Bob- You need to make up your mind. First you complain the rich are not paying thier share of the taxes. Again I state the upper 1% pay 40% of income taxes. How much do you want them to pay? You complain they only pay what were your numbers 16% in taxes. Why is this? I would think it would tax loop holes. Did I miss something? Or do you just complain for the sake of it?

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Sam K.
03/14/2010 11:50 AM

Considering the upper 1% pay about 40% of the income taxes with 22% of the money already,how much do you want them to pay to make you happy? 50% of the people pay 3.5% of the taxes now. Do you understand why many people don't get upset with tax increases,becuse it is a increase to somebody else. Again keep blaming the GOP for jobs going to China and continue to close your eyes to the reason they are leaving. It shows your high IQ.

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Sam K.
03/14/2010 11:43 AM

$3.00 bucks an hour glad to see you are not going extermine on me. Here is a list of 108 unions. Happy retirement. States and local govts are no better off. None are fully funded. Who gets to bail them out?---http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-coming-union-pension-plan-collapse.html

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Sam K.
03/13/2010 3:56 PM

Bob D- Send more jobs to China,the dems are masters at driving them away so what is your problem? What do you think cap and trade would do? High taxes? More regulation? You blame the GOP for jobs going to China but never give reasons why they are going there. You complain about the tax system hoo-ray. This system of loop holes is a mess. How about a flat tax or fair tax? it would be nice to rid ourselves of the red-tape of the IRS. The leader of the IRS is a tax cheat (Timmy G.) It would be nice to clean house on all the waste. Companies could produce more if they did not have to spend 100's of hours trying to figure out how much money they owed on taxes. Somehow I don't think a big govt. loving guy like yourself wants that.

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Brian K.
03/13/2010 2:59 PM

bobby......I'm not really sure what conterdicts is but if you mean contradicts himself well......rather than use your typical babble....please tell me where I contradicted myself......I read them again and don't seem to have a problem. The one post said I don't really mind paying for their ER costs.....earth to bobby......that is my opinion if they do nothing. Then bobby, the second post was for those that actual can put their own phrases together without cutting and pasting others thoughts.......see bobby, the second one was a political solution to the problem. Ever wonder why you were the only one to respond in a negative way to that post......because others are thinking about it as a solution, you just want to complain about your life and everything in your life. Now, when you are ready to grow up a little, read the second post and really think about what it says......I know it will be hard to actual come up with your own thoughts but please try......I really would hate to see you go over that cliff with the rest of the Lemmings.......I'll be rooting for ya......

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